Curse

EmperorTippy · Jul 15, 2005, 01:36 PM // 13:36

They nerfed farming to an extent were running through the entire game now makes you about 50% less wealth than it did on even tuesday, which was about 50% of what it was 2 updates before that. The economy was also effectivily ruined with prices skyrockiting so that your gold will buy you less than it would before. If you ran a character through the entire game today playing it how it was ment to be played you would have a buying power that was about 75% less than it was before the update.

PieXags · Jul 15, 2005, 01:36 PM // 13:36

Wrong drizzt, in a sense. Your right the price of players selling items won't ever increase over the price of the traders, but BOTH prices will keep rising with how things are going now. People with money will still BUY from the traders to avoid having to wait for a decent price from people, afterall they've got the money, and that will RAISE the prices of the things at the traders, and nobody will sell TO the traders because they profit none from it. While that's going on people who sell things to other players will keep their prices just a TINY bit lower than the traders, and since trader prices will keep going up, so will theirs. So you've got prices going up both at the traders and from normal players, and few people who can buy it (but will continue because they're millionairs) while the rest, stay poor.

drizzt134 · Jul 15, 2005, 01:41 PM // 13:41

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Originally Posted by EmperorTippy

They nerfed farming to an extent were running through the entire game now makes you about 50% less wealth than it did on even tuesday, which was about 50% of what it was 2 updates before that. The economy was also effectivily ruined with prices skyrockiting so that your gold will buy you less than it would before. If you ran a character through the entire game today playing it how it was ment to be played you would have a buying power that was about 75% less than it was before the update.

NO!!! yesterday in 1 run I made 3 k and I have a screenshot of it if u are interested... and it was not uw of fow... just simple ember light camp run... so that disproves you right there... nothing is nerfed unles u 24/7 farm...

EmperorTippy · Jul 15, 2005, 01:43 PM // 13:43

Correction they nerfed most places and expecially the ones that lower level char could do and that the not so great farming builds could do. The griffins are still there supposidly even though I haven't tested this. Ember light camp is still there and a few and I mean like 1 more place I no of is still there but most places were nerfed extensivily.

drizzt134 · Jul 15, 2005, 01:43 PM // 13:43

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Originally Posted by PieXags

Wrong drizzt, in a sense. Your right the price of players selling items won't ever increase over the price of the traders, but BOTH prices will keep rising with how things are going now. People with money will still BUY from the traders to avoid having to wait for a decent price from people, afterall they've got the money, and that will RAISE the prices of the things at the traders, and nobody will sell TO the traders because they profit none from it. While that's going on people who sell things to other players will keep their prices just a TINY bit lower than the traders, and since trader prices will keep going up, so will theirs. So you've got prices going up both at the traders and from normal players, and few people who can buy it (but will continue because they're millionairs) while the rest, stay poor.

agreed... but meanwhile you will keep making money right? so the only thing that changed insted of in the first week you will get your 15 k armor set in a month.. .and for a game that is free i dont see why it would hurt. is there a rush? we are not even paying a penny... so we can play whenever we want whenever we don't want to.. right?

drizzt134 · Jul 15, 2005, 01:46 PM // 13:46

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Originally Posted by EmperorTippy

Correction they nerfed most places and expecially the ones that lower level char could do and that the not so great farming builds could do.

possible.. but then we gotta blame bots and chinese farmers... comes back to the question of 'how we can get rid of greed of all these players' again i guess... bcz ppl try to take shortcuts to get money... I am really suprised to see how some ppl take this game as a matter of honor. u win or u lose... whatever happens, this is a game in the end...

EmperorTippy · Jul 15, 2005, 01:50 PM // 13:50

I know and I really don't care if I never make a single piece of gold again in the game. I have enough wealth to not have to worry about it.

Dazzler · Jul 15, 2005, 01:51 PM // 13:51

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Originally Posted by enzymepopper

I suspect the Traders do autostock a bit at certain times in the previous version. But it did not autostock fully. I suspect when the stock price is high, the Traders autostock a bit to help curb the price a bit. And when the stock price is low, I even suspect the Traders may remove a bit of the existing stock to float the price up a bit. But it's an unproven suspicion.

I also think the Traders adjust the prices periodically instead of instantly. Meaning they adjust the prices every half an hour or so instead of having the prices fluctuate whenever someone buys or sells. Because I have bought and sold hundreds of rare materials and only saw a single price change. And I saw the second price change about half an hour or so later.

So if there's only say 100 ectos in the market. I could keep on buying them for say 3k each. After I bought up all 99 ectos, the price of the last ecto will still remain 3k until the next round of price adjustment which could be half an hour away. This is how I make my money. I didn't have to work with the market because in a sense, I get flat rate from all my purchase/sells. Buying ALL the Parchment in stock for 400 G each. Wait for half a day, then sall ALL the Parchment back for 600G each. As long as I do it between each price adjustment, I won't have to worry about the price changing when I'm doing my trades.

My experience has been the price changes instantly. I have seen it when I am selling alot or buying a lot, then after each transaction, the quote he gives for the next one is slightly different (higher if I am buying and lower if I am sellnig).

EmperorTippy · Jul 15, 2005, 01:54 PM // 13:54

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Originally Posted by Dazzler

My experience has been the price changes instantly. I have seen it when I am selling alot or buying a lot, then after each transaction, the quote he gives for the next one is slightly different (higher if I am buying and lower if I am sellnig).

Noticed the same thing.

tanwarv · Jul 15, 2005, 02:16 PM // 14:16

I submitted the following as a bug report. I'll post the resolution as well, but let's cross our fingers...

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I've noticed that the buy prices since the 7/13 patch went live do not appear to be working correctly. It appears that the "buy" prices of a trader are not at all impacted by the latest "sell" price. For example, I noticed that silver dye was trading at 700 gp to buy from the trader yesterday, but the trader was only buying at 1gp. This seems to have stabilized somewhat, but today inflation has increased the trader prices of many items (see the list below) while buy back prices have substantially gone down.

DYES:
Silver dye, now 1.3k to sell (450 to buy)

RARE MATERIALS:
Fur (450 to sell, 170 to buy)
Steel (385 to sell, 87 to buy)
Leather (400 to sell, 82 to buy)
Vellum (305 to sell, 30 to buy)

In each of these cases, the sell price is much higher than pre patch, and the buy price is much much lower.

I'm not sure how it's supposed to work, but if I try to buy something from a dealer that suddenly has no stock, should not the "buy" price increase? It does not appear to be working this way. Check the buy and sell prices for ectoplasm... it is rarely in stock now, and yet the dealer is still only offering a small fraction of the selling price for buyback.

If this mechanic is "working as intended", I hope that the developers pay attention to the inflationary effect that I'm noticing in the game. It seems that many people are just avoiding traders entirely, and just selling via the auction channels.

EmperorTippy · Jul 15, 2005, 02:19 PM // 14:19

*Hopes alot*

hellraisin · Jul 15, 2005, 02:39 PM // 14:39

the price of black dyes and some of the runes went up after wednesday's update. why? because of the new druids and gladiator armors, people are buying new dyes and runes to put in them, demand went up and price went up. black dye price drop down to 6k yesterday when i checked. the only issue i have with the whole system is that most major/superior runes are not worth anything. A base price would be nice. like 500g for major or 2k for superior. at least then i'll make some money by finding and selling them.

GraFFix · Jul 15, 2005, 02:40 PM // 14:40

I saw the effects of the market crash last night...I was a little mad.

The other night I sold a Shadow bow for about 75k..not to bad only the guy who wanted it only had 50k cash, but then offered 5 Ectoplasim...at that time Ecto was selling for 10.5k each so I took his offer. Went to the material trader and saw that they were paying 8k to buy it from me. So i think cool instead of 75k for the bow i should get around 90k after selling the ecto. But being the greedy person i am I figured I would wait till the weekend when more people are playing and more people are wanting Ecto...the prices will go up and i can make a few more thousand out of the deal. Sounds reasonable right?
Well after the patch I noticed Ecto was up to 12.5k so I figured that it was a good time to sell it off and hopefully get about 10k each from the trader. to my supprise the trader offered me.....100g...so instead of 45-50k ill get 500g? lol great

I did notice before i logged off last night the Ecto was up to 900g but no where near the resale value that it was just a few days ago. If it doesnt go up by this weekend im going to have to try to sell it to people in towns for a discounted price. which is enjoy so much :/

Just my little rant...

JoDiamonds · Jul 15, 2005, 09:24 PM // 21:24

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Originally Posted by EmperorTippy

Now I have lots of gold to spend and decide to buy black dye. I am willing to pay the 8K per dye and not have to wait an instante to get it. The price of the dye increase. Now you find another black dye. The trader is selling for 10K now and will buy for 5.5K

There's an error here. You stated that vendor will purchase from player for 5.5k, then someone buys from the vendor, and you say the vendor still buys for 5.5k. I believe that is incorrect; the buy price goes up when someone buys from the vendor.